Winterization NOW

[denmarkvesey]

Clearly we need to plan for the winter if we want to stay where we are. I don’t care what we plan on doing but we need to do something soon here is the research I have done.

Yurts
Info on what a yurt is:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt
Cheapest Yurt I found new
I like Yurts cause we can build sleeping loft space too
campingyurts.com/yurt-basic-kit.shtml
Stoves for Yurts
campingyurts.com/yurt-stoves.shtml
Tipis
reesetipis.com/tipi_selection.cfm lots of good options that are big
www.tipi.com/
reesetipis.com/tipi_selection.cfm
Info on:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teepee

Hardcore winter tents big
www.snowtrekkertents.com/index.html
www.reliabletent.com/index.cfm?page=detail&Product_ID=144&CATID=9
www.redhawk-trading.com/deluxe-storage-tent.htm
www.packsaddleshop.com/wildernesst.htm

Other thing I was thinking was if people have small rv’s conversion vans etc to loan that would be good
I have a pop up that sleeps 6 with a heater in it and kitchen but need someone to pick it up with a car with hitch in Lake Placid with me my wife’s car not really good to tow it.

I will be bringing in outdoor heater for people tomorrow
Anyway whatever we do we need to ACT FAST in order to stay the course. This should be the most important thing we do at the GA

[rana]

I've got a donation coming of a giant canvas tent made to be heated with a woodstove (not included)! Around 20 feet long. Details coming in the next day or 2.

[Albanius]

I spoke to Frankie who is experienced in winter survival, is willing to lead a workshop Wednesday after the GA and Oakland Solidarity action.

[justa99er]

Hi,

I went to campmor.com and want to order some things for you guys in the cold up there in Albany. I chatted with customer service and they need a contact name or a physical location to be able to ship the cold weather camping gear.

I could have it shipped to myself here and then bring it to Occupy Albany. I work in Clifton Park, NY so it is not that far. Let me know if propane heaters are appropriate. Or if there is something safer and less volatile. Boot warmers may be good, but they don't last very long.

Thanks. I just want to help in some way

Just a 99er

[dylan]

I'm guessing the propane tank heaters you are talking about are the kind that attach to a full sizepropane tank. I would probably stay away from these. There are the smaller size tent warmer heaters www.amazon.com/Coleman-BlackCat-PerfecTemp-Catalytic-Heater/dp/tags-on-product/B0009PUR9U P

People have already been using these and they would be MUCH appreciated.

Of course wool blankets, socks and sweaters and hand warmers would be great too.

[paul99]

i have a propane space heater that i used in my home last winter. it is 18" wide and 24" high, free standing, and must be connected to a larger propane tank (like the type people use for outdoor grills that can be carried by hand). it puts out 10,000 BTU and is very fuel efficient. i will be coming to albany on saturday so PLEASE let me know if this can be used before then.
also is there a need for the small propane cylinders that fuel the camping heaters (like coleman's)? i will be passing by home depot and lowe's which i think carry them at a much lower price than the other retail stores.

[dylan]

Does it have an open flame? What about exhaust? We can definitely use the smaller Coleman gas cans.

[paul99]

it's an unvented space heater that's approved for use within a closed room. exhaust gases are carbon dioxide and water vapor. i used it all last winter in my living room without a problem. it does have an open flame behind a grill. here's the website. www.empirezoneheat.com/ehs/index.php?view=vent-free-radiant-and-blue-flame-heaters&parid=94&pagid=175&mlnid=80
it's the BF10 model at the bottom.

[dylan]

Paul, that would definitely be quite handy to have around and much appreciated if you aren't using it. It would be great to be able to put that thing in one of the pop-up tents which we could then use as a warming station. Thank you.

[patatpeace]

I spoke to the manager at UHaul at the port. He does not have blankets yey but is emailing all area stores and will gather blankets and bring them to site.

[paul99]

Dylan, i will probably be bringing the heater down on saturday. something i thought of today is that there needs to be some kind of regulator between the gas tank and the heater. whatever is used in a gas grill that connects to the small propane tank should work for the heater. is there anyone there who knows how to hook this thing up? also do you now have any small propane tanks that can be used with it? these are refillable white tanks that hold about 20 lbs of propane and are used with gas barbecue grills.

[dylan]

I should be around Saturday to take a look at it. We have sevaral of the white propane tanks your talking about we can use to run it, and a regulator shouldn't be too hard to find.

[donnernwolf9]

Here are some easy, inexpensive and low tech methods for retaining heat in tents.
- Use a tarp footprint under your tent and place two layers of cardboard and used newspaper between the tarp and the bottom of the tent. This will insulate the tents from the ground.
- Utilize passive solar heating methods, this can be done by making an A frame or similar out of wood or PVC pipe over your tent. Then cover the frame with hard clear plastic or heavy clear plastic sheeting. Make sure it is wind tight. You can easily buy rolls of velcro and use that to hold the front flap closed. Cover the ground around your tent with black plastic or black material. Take 2gallon water bottles and paint them black to absorb the heat, make sure the containers are no more than 3/4 full. This creates a solar heat trap around a persons tent and will raise the air temperature inside the structure. The water bottles will hold the heat through most of the night. The more bottles, the more heat will be retained.